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Picture of the Day 2025-12-06 description

Current English description for the Picture of the Day 2025-12-06 contains factual mistake. Should be "Glotovo, Vladimir Oblast" instead of "Glotovo, Vologda Oblast". Someone please correct protected Template:Potd/2025-12-06 (en). Nyuhn (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

 Done, thanks Ymblanter (talk) 18:17, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Prototyperspective (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Mass rename requests with Criterion #4

I've just declined a mass rename request for Category:Diagrams of direction road signs of Iceland. This would've renamed all but 2 of the files in the category (which I've renamed to match the other 28 files). Filemoving criterion #4 (harmonizing) is being used to rename entire categories like this with no discussion or consensus. I declined several hundred rename requests for election maps a few weeks ago, but I see these arbitrary mass requests pretty often. It seems like abuse of criterion #4 without consensus or discussion. Geoffroi 21:09, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Pinging @Jmabel: who weighed in on the election map mass rename requests mentioned above. Geoffroi 21:17, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Harmonizing a file's name in one category might disharmonize its file name in another category (or it might break the file naming scheme of the uploader). I'm thinking of a case of a photo series on a fire (in Moscow, iirc) and the files in the category were all named something along the lines of "Fire at Y on xx.xx.xxxx ([photo number of the series])". One of the photos from the fire prominently depicted a trolley bus, and as a result someone requested a rename to harmonize the file name with other files in a trolley bus category. The rename was made. So, now there's a file named" trolley bus xx" in a category of files that are all named "Fire at Y on xx.xx.xxxx ([photo number of the series])", and the rename also created a gap in the photo numbers of the series. Nakonana (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

The particular image I'm referring to is File:Moscow trolleybus 8964 2015-01.jpg, which was previously named File:Пожар в здании ИНИОН РАН (16411137992).jpg ("Fire in the Institute of Scientific Information on Social Sciences of Russian Academy of Sciences") like a number of other images of that series in Category:Fire in the Institute of Scientific Information on Social Sciences of Russian Academy of Sciences (31 January 2015). Here's the diff of the rename request[1], and here to my objection to the rename[2] (not sure I did the objection correctly), but as one can see the file was renamed anyway. Nakonana (talk) 21:50, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

The policy page, for reference: COM:RENAME. I took Criterion #4 to mean files that are part of an image set, possibly being created or maintained by the same person, not all files within a category. If people are tagging entire categories with this then that certainly counts as abuse. ReneeWrites (talk) 21:44, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

It looks to me like the file names in Category:Diagrams of direction road signs of Iceland (things like F11.51.svg) either have a meaning that is not explained anywhere on the respective file pages (some official naming scheme in Iceland?) or are meaningless. If the former, then they should be left alone. If the latter, then these are good candidates for renaming under Commons:File renaming criterion 2. Gigillo83 uploaded many (all?) of these, is still at least semi-active, and might shed some light on this. - Jmabel ! talk 21:52, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

The file names correspond to the official sign numbers contained in the Icelandic Regulation on traffic signs and their use. I had requested the renames, although possibly erroneously under criterion 4 instead of 2 (if there was a possibility to choose both, I would have done), and, as I've been informed, probably not in the right way. The rename would have clarified that these diagrams refer specifically to the ones laid out in this regulation. EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 22:00, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Criterion #2 is for fixing errors. The numbers are correct for the Iceland roadsigns. What error would you be fixing? A problem you might create is noted above by Nakonana. Any thoughts or concerns on breaking other uploader's sets? Geoffroi 22:08, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Criterion 2 doesn't say anything about errors, it says correcting a meaningless or ambiguous file name. "F11.51" does not mean anything on its own. "Iceland road sign F11.51", however, tells you it is an Icelandic road sign that can be identified by the official sign number "F11.51".

I don't understand the "uploader sets" argument in this specific case. Gigillo has uploaded diagrams of several countries' signs over the years, none have ever originally been given a consistent file name, across the naming for these countries' signs, at the time of uploading. EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 22:19, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

It's an official referenced number, which isn't meaningless or ambiguous. Are you going to change all the rest of the roadsign images that only use the official number? Let's not resurrect The Roadsign Guy please. Geoffroi 23:01, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I appreciate my actions, which are well-intentioned, being compared to those of a long-time vandal of both Wikipedia and Commons. For the record, I don't intend on going on a mass rename spree, but rather I will continue to request file renames any time I should believe necessary. Should these be challenged, such as in this very case, I'm willing to have a discussion about it, and won't object if a decision is made that I disagree with.

Regarding the sign names, I would think that the having the number isn't exactly a sufficient description (criterion 2), nor makes it easily findable, and is an oddity considering that every other category for this country does not do this (criterion 4). But seemingly this is just my opinion and does not appear to be Commons policy. EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 23:19, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

If you have a good idea, why not do it with all roadsign files? Why are Iceland's roadsigns special? The Jermboy27 reference was toward people targeting lesser known/unattended categories to impose control on them. Geoffroi 23:31, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

 Comment If the numbers in the filenames are official sign numbers contained in the Icelandic Regulation on traffic signs and their use, that should certainly be mentioned within the wikitext of the file, probably in the description.

 Neutral on adding a prefix that would make these file names clearer. Certainly would have been a better choice in the first place, not strongly supported by our renaming criteria. - Jmabel ! talk 23:38, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

My main concern is a possible domino effect. If these mass renames are repeatedly requested and done, we'll probably end up doing thousands of renames in the end along with some disagreements. Better to have consensus beforehand than problems after. Also, if other users upload new roadsign files to a category with a set name scheme, will someone come within a short time and request a rename? I'm wary of imposing a strict naming scheme without any consensus that such a restriction is needed or wanted. As regards the numbers, all BSicon sets have an information template for each category. A simple template explaining that the numbers are official government designations might be a better idea than mass renames. Geoffroi 23:56, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

I certainly hope it is just a "reference" and not something you are seriously thinking I am trying to do.

I can respect that certain categorisation of files might have their own naming conventions - in the case of road signs, for example, you have the UK's using "traffic sign" instead of "road sign", Germany's using German-language names, and Italy's using a mixture of English and Italian names, even within the same file name. However, these have (largely) been applied to all categories ("Diagrams of x road signs of [country]") that make up the whole ("Diagrams of road signs of [country]"). The two categories of Iceland's, Category:Diagrams of direction road signs of Iceland and Category:Diagrams of lane movement road signs of Iceland, are the exception to said whole for Iceland, so I was simply trying to rectify this. EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 23:44, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Going to tag @Fry1989 into the conversation, although not so active these days he has been dealing with road signs for far longer than I have, including renaming files (including those uploaded by Gigillo, including the Icelandic ones). EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 00:04, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I certainly hope it is just a "reference" and not something you are seriously thinking I am trying to do. I of course cannot speak for Geoffroi but I think it's rather safe to say that they are not assuming bad faith on your end because if they did then this noticeboard report would have been introduced as a problem of user conduct, and the report would have mentioned you by name. But instead the report is a question for clarification regarding the renaming guidelines, and it clearly says that there were multiple similar instances (not necessarily by the same editors). So I don't think that you need to worry here. Nakonana (talk) 00:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I was thinking of the election map rename requests, which totaled 500+ within half an hour. It made rename requests from other users harder to get to. Perhaps we should have some kind of policy and infrastructure for mass renames, rather than flooding the rename request category and getting different results from different filemovers? There aren't many filemovers here that will even do (or have time to do) a mass rename. Geoffroi 00:49, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Assuming the mass rename follows a pattern (as it certainly ought to!) it can be pretty quickly done with User:Legoktm/massrename. So, yes, there ought to be a better way to ask of this than tagging each file. And I agree with Geoffroi that a template explaining these official Icelandic sign numbers is in order. - Jmabel ! talk 03:17, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Going to disagree with your last point - although I agree that these files need a better description in the summary, which would eliminate the need for a template. Furthermore, would this template be applied uniquely to these 2 categories of Icelandic signs, or all? Will it later be applied to all countries', even where the description, or file name, already makes it clear? EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 08:20, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Just to summarise my thoughts here: I'm sure Geoffroi has legitimate concern regarding the abuse of the rename function. I can see how mass renaming of tens or hundreds of individual files could cause problems and disagreements further down the line, so therefore a discussion should be held and consensus reached before the renaming is carried out. My argument is not so much on this, but rather regarding the renaming of the Icelandic signs which led to the discussion in the first place.* I believed that the renames would not be controversial so therefore not worthy of discussion. Why should they be, when all other categories of Icelandic signs already follow this naming convention, as do road signs for several other countries? To be frank, the idea of creating a template rather than simply renaming the files in this case to me seems like making a mountain out of a molehill. I still fail to see how criterion 4, particularly the last line of its additional note, and criterion 2 to some degree, do not apply here - I still fail to see how these two specific categories of Icelandic road signs would need to have different naming than the others.

* Perhaps this specific discussion should have been held elsewhere, as it is not overly relevant to the issue raised by Geoffroi. EthanL13^{[please ping me]} 12:37, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

The absence of any process for mass renames was the main problem I had with your rename requests. If you were able to request a mass rename of these files, you could explain how many files were involved and perhaps how many might follow if other roadsign categories needed similar changes. My issue yesterday was that I didn't want to see another 500+ file mass rename job blocking other users who only need a few renames done. Having a set process where mass renames could be requested and then the mass rename tool could be used appropriately by an experienced filemover would be a much better way of handling mass renames for both filemovers and users requesting mass renames. I just want Commons to have a process for mass renames that avoids disagreements, misunderstandings, and confusion as much as possible. Geoffroi 20:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

I have particular experience in this matter and expect that is why I was invited to comment. Whilst naming a file for a traffic sign something such as "F11.03" may be accurate within a narrow context, as that is it's designation by its regulating authority (a relevant government), it tells us very little about the file itself for categorization and use purposes. It doesn't tell us what country it is from, not even really what it is (in this case, a traffic sign). Over the years, I have attempted to implement some form of standardised naming format for traffic sign files that include the specific words "road sign" or "traffic sign" and the ISO internationally recognised country code which is language non-specific. I still believe that is best practice. In the case of Iceland, they recently redesigned and designated their traffic signs from top to bottom, so I believe it is best not to rename any more files until taking into consideration the new standard. I also am not 100% pleased with my naming scheme, and having been considering a revision. Anyone interested in discussing that with me is welcome to do so. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:44, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. That's exactly why I brought this up. I'm just hoping we can figure out a decent process for requesting and doing mass renames, especially with a simple mass renaming tool available. Geoffroi 19:39, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

AbuseFilter/292

Hi, doing a test I think there may be a little problem with this filter that should block users w/o patrol right to place {{Allow Overwriting}}. It seems to me that the filter does not cover the case in which the space is replaced with an underscore. Here, just for example, I was able to place the template from a temporary account. That should be fixed, thanks. Arrow303 (talk) 10:33, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I especially ping @GPSLeo Arrow303 (talk) 10:56, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I changed the filter now also hitting on this case. I was not aware that in templates an underscore is interpreted the same as a space. GPSLeo (talk) 11:09, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

@GPSLeo Good, thanks! Arrow303 (talk) 11:14, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Removal of photo

21:59, 15 November 2025 Jameslwoodward talk contribs deleted page File:Monument to Mykhailo Hrushevsky, sheltered from Russian shelling. Kyiv, 2023.jpg. The author explained that the photo does not depict the Monument to Mykhailo Hrushevsky, but the protective structure of this monument, so since it is not a work of art, the photo is not subject to removal. There was no answer. I think that the removal was illegal.Ввласенко (talk) 17:16, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

The shelter had something drawn on it, if I remember correctly, it was a sketch of the monument. That drawing is also copyright protected, that's why the image was deleted. Nakonana (talk) 17:48, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Link for convenience: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Monument to Mykhailo Hrushevsky, sheltered from Russian shelling. Kyiv, 2023.jpg. Nakonana (talk) 17:49, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, there is/was a sketch. The file could be restored with the sketch blurred out, if people think it would still be of interest. - Jmabel ! talk 23:26, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I could see it still being interesting even if the sketch was blurred, but I wonder if it might still go against Ukraine's lack of FoP even with the blur. Nakonana (talk) 12:06, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@Nakonana: what would be the issue? (I don't know much about Ukraininan FoP laws). - Jmabel ! talk 20:17, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Ukraine has no usable FoP-exception. Problem is that the drawing extends over almost the entire height of the building. --Túrelio (talk) 20:40, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't know if it could be considered a building, iirc, it was just a plain rectangular construction. One could say that it was too simple to be protected by copyright, but there are also countries (France?) where even such a simple rectangular construction like that might be copyrightable. I don't know where Ukraine stands regarding TOO. If we think that such a construction is too simple for copyright protection, then I'd be in favor of undeleting and blurring the sketch. Nakonana (talk) 21:40, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

It's a completely regular box made of concrete panels. I cannot imagine any country considering that copyrightable, any more than a woodpile. I will blur and undelete; if someone still believes it is a problem, put it up for another DR. - Jmabel ! talk 00:51, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

 Done - Jmabel ! talk 01:10, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Ill-informed reverts

Ardfern has been reverting my category moves from hyphens (1-9) to dashes (1–9) under Category:Boeing 757 by line number. I explained the distinction over at User talk:Sinigh the other week, apparently to no avail.

This exact type of edit has been made innumerable times. It's not controversial and should not be reverted.

Sinigh (talk) 22:24, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

Per Commons:Categories#Category names, hyphens are preferred on Commons:

Latin alphabets are used in original form including diacritics and derived letters, non-Latin alphabets are transcribed to the English Latin script. Basic English characters (ISO/IEC 646) are preferred over national variants or extension character sets (for instance, 'straight' apostrophes over 'curly'), where reasonable.

Omphalographer (talk) 02:40, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Flag of the state of Maine license

So this user named User:Kontributor 2K is listing the flag of the state of Maine file as in the Creative Commons license. The flag is actually in the public domain, and every single US flag is also in the public domain. Shark2272 (talk) 02:37, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

The flag is public domain, but if User:Kontributor 2K created the vectorization of the flag, they can claim copyright on the vectorization. (EDIT: it looks like Kontributor 2K is merely keeping the cc license for the vectorization that another user created in place.) Also some municipal and county flags are copyrighted in the US. Abzeronow (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Yes, and as previously discussed, if the source of the file is "own work", there is no reason to change the licence, contrary to if the source of the file is an url where the file is PD.

It should also be noted that the files have been patrolled.--Kontributor 2K (talk) 08:32, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

NO Shark2272 (talk) 01:19, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

You may not like the explanation, but we can keep the cc license and explain under permission that the flag itself is public domain, that the CC license for the vectorization. Abzeronow (talk) 01:46, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

The us government owns the rights and confirms it is under the public domain Shark2272 (talk) 01:22, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Wrong, Maine's flag is public domain due to age. States can hold copyrights independent of the US government. Abzeronow (talk) 01:46, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

FishBase

There is something wrong with FishBase templates. It probably has to do with a change in capitalization. - Brya (talk) 02:33, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Brya, I create an edit request at Template talk:FishBase species#Edit request as the template is protected and only template editors and admins can edit it. Feel free to comment there about the changes requested. Thanks. Tvpuppy (talk) 03:37, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

There appears to be more than one FishBase template involved, but I did not check how many exactly. - Brya (talk) 03:41, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I didn't realise there's more FishBase templates, but it seems those aren't protected, so I will be able to edit them. I will go through them and try to update the links. Thanks. Tvpuppy (talk) 03:47, 15 December 2025 (UTC)