Commons:Village pump/Archive/2025/12

Freedom of panorama, Norway

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/Norway#Freedom_of_panorama I believe this is wrong. According to the Norwegian Copyright Act (Åndsverkloven) § 23 (1), works of art that are permanently placed in or at a public space may be freely depicted, unless to be used commercially. This means that photographing and publishing such images is permitted without obtaining permission from the rights holder. Source: Åndsverkloven (Copyright Act) § 23 (1).

Because of how this has been interpreted, I've noticed that photos of a few public artworks/statues have been unnecessarily deleted. Birdesigns (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

"unless to be used commercially" exactly means that we can not host the images. Ymblanter (talk) 14:51, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Per Commons:Licensing: Wikimedia Commons only accepts free content, that is, images and other media files that are not subject to copyright restrictions which would prevent them being used by anyone, anytime, for any purpose. --Rosenzweig τ 15:04, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I’m commenting on my own post to point out that Norwegian law / the Copyright Act distinguishes between commercial use (press, magazines, merchandise) – which is allowed – and advertising – which is not. I was not aware (as I should have been) that Commons doesn't make this exception/distinction. Birdesigns (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

@Birdesigns: Can you cite something that substantiates that distinction?

I'm not sure where that distinction, if valid, leaves us. We've accepted the equivalent for pictures in the U.S. as a personality rights issue (hence non-copyright); however, this seems to be more of a true copyright matter than that. - Jmabel ! talk 00:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

Files with no machine-readable source

I cannot see a difference in the source data between File:David Ogilvie 23.jpg and File:David Ogilvie 24.jpg. Yet, the #24 file pulls through a source in the information template, whilst the #23 file does not. Hence, the #23 file gets put into the Files with no machine-readable source category. Can anyone work out what's going on, please? Schwede66 22:57, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@Schwede66: The one that works uses described at URL (P973) where the one that does not uses work available at URL (P953). - Jmabel ! talk 00:25, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting the difference, Jmabel. I thought I was going mad. Schwede66 00:35, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Do we have a category for text files that need OCR run on them?

Do we have a category for text files that need OCR run on them? RAN (talk) 23:17, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): Yes, Category:Needing transcription is that, I think. It's added with {{Transcribe here}}. Sam Wilson 23:27, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Otto Warmbier is missing

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Category:Arrest and death of Otto Warmbier is empty. I assume, it contained one or more now deleted files. But if empty, it cannot fulfull its purpose --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 19:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

see Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Arrest and death of Otto Warmbier. So the cat should be deleted, IMO --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 19:07, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Why did you make a thread about this? Prototyperspective (talk) 20:37, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi @PantheraLeo1359531, in that case it would be best to create a deletion request for it at Commons:Deletion requests Commons:Categories for discussion :-) --SimmeD (talk) 00:00, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

No, empty categories can just be speedied. - Jmabel ! talk 00:47, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Ah, Well, there you got it :-) —SimmeD (talk) 04:32, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Scans of papyri

In continuation of a previous similar discussion: are scans of papyri (which are completely two-dimensional) I find online free to upload to Commons? for example this one.

Tagging Jmabel who helped me a lot in the previous discussion. פעמי-עליון (talk) 16:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Looks like a simple technical reproduction to me --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 19:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Fyi, Morgan Library and Museum terms and conditions states, "The Morgan will not grant permission for the reproduction or commercial use of these low resolution downloadable images." -- Ooligan (talk) 03:28, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

That last sounds to me like an unenforceable non-copyright restriction. That same terms and conditions page also claims the images are all coyrighted, which this image clearly is not. It would apply to anything copyrightable on their site, but cannot apply to public-domain images. This is exactly what {{PD-Art}} is about. - Jmabel ! talk 03:52, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for those details @Jmabel.

Great discovery @פעמי-עליון. -- Ooligan (talk) 04:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

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DEMO.MID

Good afternoon! I found this file titled DEMO.MID on the Olidata Recovery Disk for Windows ME, which I actually don't know what famous 90s MIDI software it came from... Could you help me? Thank you! DanielParoliere (talk) 12:32, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

favicon.ico too dark at night

https://commons.wikimedia.org/favicon.ico is too dark on dark themed browsers. Possibly due to transparency. Jidanni (talk) 03:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

it just depends on which type of browser, like Opera, Brave, Firefox, Edge, etc. Because I use chrome, I have no problem with it. ₘₒd cᵣₑₐₜₒᵣ ✰ ʜᴀʙʟᴀ ⍟ コントリビューション 23:17, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

Formatting Wikidata query

Hi, In the table of Paintings by Wassily Kandinsky, how to format the result of the WD query so that it looks like this instead of the current one. The external links should be within [ ] avoiding to create an oversized column. Also is the description really useful? It is always "painting by Kandinsky". Yann (talk) 16:42, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Any one please? Yann (talk) 18:10, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

This appears to be about the "described at URL" column, unless I've misunderstood the question. Current version appears not to have the "description" column, which seems reasonable. - Jmabel ! talk 20:03, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Yann: If you want it to format just like [number]] you have to write [http://en.rusmuseum.ru/collections/painting-of-the-second-half-of-the-xix-century-beginning-of-xxi-century/artworks/siniy-greben/?sphrase_id=205947] instead of just http://en.rusmuseum.ru/collections/painting-of-the-second-half-of-the-xix-century-beginning-of-xxi-century/artworks/siniy-greben/?sphrase_id=205947 (that is, use square brackets). - Jmabel ! talk 20:08, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Thanks for your answer. Yes, I know that. I was asking how to format the result of the WD query. The description was removed by User:ReneeWrites. See the page history. Yann (talk) 20:14, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Yann: where is the query? - Jmabel ! talk 20:25, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Jmabel: In Paintings by Wassily Kandinsky:

{{Wikidata list |sparql=SELECT ?item WHERE { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q3305213 . ?item wdt:P170 wd:Q61064 . MINUS { ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q15727816 } } |section= |sort=571 |columns=P18,label,P195,P217,P528,P571,P276,P973,P180 |thumb=128 |min_section= |freq=30 }}

Yann (talk) 20:29, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Yann: I believe SPARQL has a capability where you can get formatting into the return, so the brackets you want would be part of the returned column. I believe you use CONCAT, but I'm not familiar enough with SPARQL to form the query myself. - Jmabel ! talk 21:30, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

@Yann: I recommend asking at d:Wikidata:Request a query. BTW, you may also be interested in {{Wikidata Gallery}} (and/or the code at Dytaster) as an alternative way of formatting the Wikidata list output. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 23:52, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

TomT0m got the magic. Yann (talk) 20:17, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

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P1/Sergt. Louis Gargano

Does anyone know what the "P1/Sergt." for the Louis Gargano entry corresponds to at Wikidata? I get the Sergeant part, not "P1" or is it "Pl" or maybe F1? Is it perhaps "Sergeant First Class". See here: File:Eugene Freudenberg II (1925-1945) body returned home in the Jersey Journal on January 14, 1949.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs)

• @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I'm assuming that's Platoon Sergeant. GMG^talk 13:27, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! That makes perfect sense. I looked for a fuller obit and he is listed there as "Platoon Sergeant". --RAN (talk) 13:42, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

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change summary

File:The-Drowsy-One-Friedrich-von-Amerling.jpg I don't know how to change the summary of this file, which refers to the painter while it should refer to the painting, and yet it looks good, with informations of the painting ! I don't understand. Io Herodotus (talk) 08:02, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

What part do you want to edit? The painter information is included from wikidata, so it needs to be edited there. The description of the painting can be edited right in the summary, there's an edit button next to the summary heading. --rimshot^talk 16:43, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

thank you. That painting should refer to Q137341778 in the summary. Io Herodotus (talk) 16:56, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

I have added a link to Q137341778 in the {{Artwork}} template for File:The-Drowsy-One-Friedrich-von-Amerling.jpg. Thanks. Tvpuppy (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

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